[phil]

Hi Guys,

I'm a few days off buying a soon to be expired domain which has 5000 pages still indexed in G... can anyone recommended a tool that will quickly capture those URL's and repopulate it with content? waybackmachine only has a handfull of the pages, and I sure as hell dont want to do it manually...

~Phil

[SeoLogic]

Hello Phil, this is a very unique concept.

So basically you want to create a list of all the "dead" urls and put them back online.

Exactly as they were with a content similar to their original one?

Can you explain the benefits of doing so?

Do you have any evidence that those deleted pages, which obviously still in Google cache; had good rankings and targeted traffic flow before their deletion?

Of course the expired urls could have external link popularity from high pagerank pages,- so in this case you should put them back online for sure, you can check this using "Yahoo Site Explorer" which allows you to find out about links pointing in urls other than the main.

I don't know any tool which could create a "sitemap" getting those dead urls directly from Google cache on time, before they are deleted even from there, but if there is any use for doing so, this tool could be easily created.

Then you can use a Doorway Script to reproduce the pages massively and mod rewrite them to imitate the original urls.

Phil, sorry I could not give you access as promised to our domain research, in a few days the Secret lab will be presented so technically you will be able to have access at least to our daily research as promised.

I can give you an example of our latest (yesterday's free yahoo listed domains) list to see the daily quality.The list is checked manually and we prefer expired domains where the link popularity is concentrated mainly to the basic url instead of the internal pages to avoid the problems you JUST DESCRIBED with your genius question right here.

"How to locate the "still Google cache indexed" deleted urls and reproduce them in order to benefit from the link popularity which goes directly to them or in any other proven way?"

So, the obvious disadvantage when you buy an expired domain with link popularity only to the index page? The answer is that this is a link building profile which is common to new sites which have only a few links from directory submission.

So if you buy this kind of expired domain as described above, just create a few doorway pages 60 - 250 not more.

If you have a site with link popularity only to "index page" it seems logical this site to not be very "deep".

The doorway pages must be created directly inside the domain name and NOT in a sub folder in order to be effective and have more authority, I do not know too many doorway scripts that can do so but my script does.

If you want your doorway pages to go the distance, every aspect of your doorway page domain must keep normal analogies between the main website factors so as not to raise suspicions: site theme, link popularity, internal link structure, sub folders, targeted content etc.

You need to make your pages highly targeted and the expired domain themed.

Here is the list I told you about please check it:

seasonalbest.com
marilynrealty.com
worldclassgallery.com
berrytracks.com
cherylsgiftshop.com
davidmachair.com
certifiedcontractorsonline.com
crockettindylaw.com
buycustomgolfclubs.com
npsalumni.com
glynequine.com
baojiwecan.com
espagnehotelreservation.com
italiaalbergoprenotazione.com
franciaalbergoprenotazione.com
mchs1969.net

All of them are available at the moment and listed in Yahoo directory. How do you find the quality of our daily research?

Phil you are really good*** I am going now to answer to your previous posts sorry I have been very busy.

[Magreth]

Hi Phil,

I agree with SeoLogic and will add a few other comments.

The concept you have thought up is interesting, but it is not without drawbacks...

If you are planning to reproduce 5000 pages of a website that has expired you need to ask yourself a few questions.

Why, if the site was successful, has the webmaster allowed it to expire? Is it possible that maybe (a) it was a doorway page site ( that it was either banned or unsuccessful? (more likely that it was banned for spamming as it would be obvious that if it were successful it would not have been allowed to expire).

The risk to assume that by the time you get the 5000 reproductions of the domain published, who is to say, that Google hasn't already "De-indexed" them. (A lot of work for zero effect.)

Another disadvantage is that you could sacrifice the Quality of the domain with this concept.

The most important thing is not to "Risk" the Quality of your pages with ineffective and useless keywords of a previous owner.

It is important to remember that you are better off making sure your keywords are highly targeted. (It is irrelevant whether an expired domain has 50 or 5000 indexed pages, once a site has been indexed for one page, Google will spider the site often enough to index any other future pages that you produce, and with the right keyword research you will have a highly targeted domain as opposed to a splatter gun effect. (not to mention the fact that there is a lot of work involved in reproducing 5000 pages, that "who knows what the previous owner was thinking when he produced them!"

The idea of buying expired domains - remains a "Link Popularity" issue. Not a reproduction of something that obviously didn't work for the previous owner.

You will probably notice that the theme here is "Quality over Quantity" and rather than repeat the mistakes of the previous domain owner; make the domain work for you with a Highly Targeted list of Keywords and cash in on the Link Popularity.

Best Regards
Magreth

[phil]

Hey SEOlogic

I haven’t been around for a while, so sorry about these delayed reply’s

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So basically you want to create a list of all the "dead" urls and put them back online.

Yep.

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Exactly as they were with a content similar to their original one?

Yep.

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Can you explain the benefits of doing so?

Yep.

I will explain in more detail a bit further down, but essentially;

• Maintain link validity
• Mine Astats for additional long tail keyword data
• PR

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Do you have any evidence that those deleted pages, which obviously still in Google cache; had good rankings and targeted traffic flow before their deletion?

No evidence about their rankings, but large sites do tend to attract Google PR which, if leveraged properly, could give you excellent placing’s in the SERPs

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Of course the expired urls could have external link popularity from high pagerank pages,- so in this case you should put them back online for sure, you can check this using "Yahoo Site Explorer" which allows you to find out about links pointing in urls other than the main.

I don't know any tool which could create a "sitemap" getting those dead urls directly from Google cache on time, before they are deleted even from there, but if there is any use for doing so, this tool could be easily created.

This is true, but I also want to mention a few things for the sake of clarification;

Firstly, Yahoo’s site explorer, like Google, does not always list ALL of the incoming links. We all know that Google shaves off a considerable amount of links, and that no search engine is necessarily going to have indexed all links - some links can remain unindexed for months or even years.

One benefit of reinstating of all the dead url’s is that in the event that Google (or any search engine for that matter) do index a link that has been sitting dormant for a long time that it points to a page and not dead url.

I have experimented with creating an .htaccess redirect on the dead url’s, which appears to preserve the search engine rankings for a little while - but the benefits do seem to drop off eventually.

Also, as side note, Yahoo is going to stop supporting site explorer (perhaps they already have) which means that there will no longer be a reliable source of link data (know of any replacements?)

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How do you find the quality of our daily research?

Some pretty decent domains in there. It’s a shame I didn’t see this post earlier it as it appears they have all been snapped up

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Phil you are really good*** I am going now to answer to your previous posts sorry I have been very busy

Thanks SEOlogic - very much appreciated!

~Phil

Excuse the

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sections - the multiquote didnt seem to work.

[phil]

\Hi Magreth,

…you get me thinking every time!

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Why, if the site was successful, has the webmaster allowed it to expire? Is it possible that maybe (a) it was a doorway page site (that it was either banned or unsuccessful? (more likely that it was banned for spamming as it would be obvious that if it were successful it would not have been allowed to expire).

Good questions. Why any webmaster would allow a domain to expire is beyond me, but it does happen with frightening regularity - take a look at the following examples;

• Perhaps they changed their email address so they never get the renew notices (in fact, I have had several people email me and ask to buy their domain back for this very reason)
• Business goes bankrupt or merges with another, so domain gets dropped.
• They no longer want the domain - moving into different niches.
• Perhaps a (crappy) web developer 'handles everything' for his or her client, but failed to set the domain owner as the administrative and billing contact.
• An individual gets sick or, (god forbid) somebody dies
• Perhaps the domain was registered via a domain reseller that went out of business.

I suspect that these reasons are just as common for domain dropping as being banned or unsuccessful… BUT you would certainly want to do your due diligence to confirm if the domain was banned or unsuccessful as that could have the potential to be a costly mistake.

When I buy expired domains I always ensure that Google still indexes the site (this is a good indication that it has not been banned) and if handled correctly an unsuccessful domain can always become profitable.

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The risk to assume that by the time you get the 5000 reproductions of the domain published, who is to say, that Google hasn't already "De-indexed" them. (A lot of work for zero effect.)

True. This work could be negated to a large degree if there was a tool that could go out and check the Google cache and/or thewaybackmachine and save the text content findings along with the url for instant site repopulation.

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Another disadvantage is that you could sacrifice the Quality of the domain with this concept.

No one wants to do that

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The most important thing is not to "Risk" the Quality of your pages with ineffective and useless keywords of a previous owner.

I agree on having quality on your pages, but surely having 5,000 pages of “instant” content is not going to harm the website in anyway – especially if the content has is already indexed? We are just leveraging their hard work, even if it is a bit crappy.

Think of it this way; sure, these 5,000 pages may not be well optimised, and they might only provide a tiny trickle of traffic BUT the kicker is that if you log into cPanel after a couple of months you can view and use all that incredible long tail keyword data that Awstats has been collecting for you to further mine into your niche and start creating a bunch of highly optimised pages.

I almost always find some absolute gems when checking out those stat details. What’s really cool about this is that it is almost perpetual - once you start adding more longtail keyword content, you can check the stats again in a few months for even more data. Rinse and repeat.

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The idea of buying expired domains - remains a "Link Popularity" issue. Not a reproduction of something that obviously didn't work for the previous owner.

Yes, Google puts more weight into high quality links than anything else. I have a few websites that have 100 links that manage to outrank websites with 1000’s of links – it’s all about quality and relevance.

Still, if you do not reproduce those pages, then Google will eventually discount those links – they only count a link if it is pointing to an actual url, not an error page. Even my htaccess redirect trick works for a small time.

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You will probably notice that the theme here is "Quality over Quantity" and rather than repeat the mistakes of the previous domain owner; make the domain work for you with a Highly Targeted list of Keywords and cash in on the Link Popularity.

Absolutely, I agree having highly targeting keywords is critical. The expired domain that I was buying was in the health niche - about a very specific disease, which just happened to perfectly correlate with an affiliate program I have been promoting. In this case all of the existing content was ideal to reuse, but not all expiring domains will have these characteristics (I was lucky).